and we're going to join the those who runs a movie that's a great way to go to the ground in period for the socialist to screw until you can a little socialism there to its ability to go and clear this is the kernel was hotel is used to retreat. to not go into certainly not for going to media speculation points to the resurrection of this crazy stone defunct simulink well maybe business as usual in the us many critics say enough is enough. and if it believes it leads that our u.k. tabloid tactics peeping over to this side of the pond. after this initial reduction our troops will continue coming home at a steady pace as afghan security forces move into the lead as nato hands over the capital of helmand province to afghan security forces there is concern afghan army may not be ready to take control. but these who are on this. stage.

are committing crimes against this country in all countries of the world and more backward deal from both union grove and what dark secret protesters have found out about the historic men's club. good afternoon it's wednesday july twentieth four pm here in washington d.c. i'm lauren lyster in your watching our t.v. well deal or no deal that's certainly the fourteen point three trillion dollar and counting question i'm talking about the debt ceiling of course and to raise it there is the debt debate let's see there is the gang of six plan the cut cap and balance proposal and other words you have plans that have support but no fine print written on paper yet plans that passed that have no future it's confusing it's driving anger at the government to a near twenty year high for us politics folks so why. we accept it as such to help

me figure that out is sam seder he is host of the majority report and daily political talk sam thanks so much for being with us i want to take a step back for a second and pretend we don't follow and analyze this as closely as we do as far as u.s. politics and just look at this as we would kind of looking at let's take the house they voted to pass their cut cap and balance plan that reportedly they know has no future in the senate won't pass it obama said he'd be to it so why would they do that with so little time left before the country defaults well i mean look if we are not following this stuff we're only we're only partially thinking about it unless frankly we're partiers the tea partiers believe that if we raise the debt ceiling which which is happened. five or six times over the course of the bush administration for instance that it will be the end of america for some reason because that's what their leaders have told them so. that we saw the other

day in the house was basically so that these republican lawmakers can go back to their most fanatical constituents and say look you know we were willing to work. to attempt to. usurp the entire party terry process as a way of cutting spending and it just didn't go anywhere but we took that vote i mean that's basically why they do it i mean if we're looking in on the outside we're just saying why can't they get this done so what happens when they turn around those lawmakers and then they do vote for another plan or they get behind a plan that obama supports doesn't that make them look ludicrous. well i mean that's why there's such a stalemate is that they have talk themselves into a box however if the obama administration continues to push a plan that's going to cut social security we're going to cut medicare then at the very least i can assure you what they're going to end up doing is they're going to run against democrats on that very issue but let's back up and look at this from

like the thirty thousand foot perspective looking at american politics is it ludicrous that a group of lawmakers will vote for something that they know can't pass to kind of make a statement to their constituents then turn around vote for something else because they know something has to get done is it ludicrous the way our system works that this isn't normal well you know i listen there's a certain amount of theater in politics there's a certain amount of you take the votes that might not lead to any type of legislation but you stake out a political position i'm not as offended by that as by what they may actually end up passing frankly but what about the theater over something that is literally bringing the country two weeks away from just thought this incredibly irresponsible i mean that there's really no other two ways to say it i mean. this is this is simply your partisan bickering partisan it's just pure politics for the sake of

their jobs and the idea that they're going to play chicken with this but fault is is is we should be terrifying to most americans frankly because this could have we'll implications on our daily lives so should there be a point at which this political theater doesn't happen are certain topics that people don't tolerate that this political theater goes on. well you know i mean in short yes but that really sometimes it takes the the implication of something like a default i think to wake people up to just exactly what's going on but wake people up to what because of course we have an a.b.c. news washington post poll that came out today that shows that eighty percent of the people polled are dissatisfied by or are flat out angry about the work the government is doing and they can narrow it down to this debt ceiling debate because that's when these numbers started really going south compared to past number so why aren't americans in the streets upset demanding that their government works. you

know i that's that's the sixty four thousand dollar question i mean i think to a certain extent we're at a time in this country of unprecedented wage stagnation for the middle class word of time in this country of incredible joblessness that we haven't seen in years we we're we are still no not technically we're still feeling we're still feeling the effects of the recession and to the extent that we've had a growth coming out of it it's all been on the corporate profit side and i think frankly people are trying to make ends meet i think that there's such anxiety about how they're going to. make you know make their health care payments make their car payments make their mortgage payments that there's just simply isn't the time or the security to get involved in politics i mean that's the only explanation i can offer and really quickly yes or no do you think with how much news comes out on every minute every second all of these different plans all of these different vote

it's very confusing even if someone is following it closely do you think it's too difficult for americans who are trying to form an opinion to follow this process yeah it's a very arcane process and i think at the end of the day they want to see jobs yeah we don't know when the conversation is ever going to shift to that in washington or if it will the debt certainly is taking out any of that bandwidth and we don't know where the economy is headed yet as a result of this stalemate and also today we also don't know where the u.s. media is headed rupert murdoch of course his hacking scandal has brought up many questions on that topic and one that lloyd har finessed of the president got and that brought to people on the streets of new york where you are is vitality journalism has gotten so big let's watch that and then i'll come back to you sam. how did tabloid journalism become so influential and so popular in today's world

this week let's talk about that i mean people. like to read about other people's business. you know. newspapers have to try to compete with the internet. with up to date you know. dirt i think it's absolute trash it's nose space in this world for it all i hope they'll go on but they're not going under they're increasing in power i don't believe that this is going to be the biggest takedown ever rupert murdoch is telling them i think it's more pop culture based audience and so the journalists kind of cater to that and in turn it's kind of fun for them to be super detectives but isn't it terrible i mean it might be fun but it's still criminal acts it's horrible i hate journalists you know whatever it whatever it takes to get the story whoever they want you know do you ever do you have that attitude at your job no not at all so what makes journalists special and

they're not special there are the opposite of special they have no scruples we have it in the market. because. people. know what they like. but that's not what journalism specifically what's true. is it just going to keep getting worse probably do you think journalism like that is bound to spread around the world and become as rampant as it is in britain i do unfortunately and it really isn't journalism i mean there is no logical reason that gets garbage the bottom line is that if the rampant popularity of tabloid journalism in the u.k. is any indication the rest of the world should be prepared for their own journalism to get a lot dirtier. and if i turn a lot of trash talking on journalism that story there are

a lot of questions about. is that kind of journalism going to just spread not only does this question what's going to happen to murdoch but it does show the power of the empire he built what he did in the u.k. was he kind of revolutionized newspapers in a direction that merged tabloid with political in a powerful way where you had papers that you went to for both celebrity gossip but they could also make or break political elections so how soon until this does become the model in the u.s. because it certainly seems to be the direction things are moving in. well you know look i think though that was murdoch's plan wasn't i mean he always wanted to attain the same level of political power in the united states as he had in britain and they had because i think he's gone i think i would be shocked if he's still at the home of the news corp. over the next couple of months and i think we're going to see actually a reversal of this i mean murdoch was in many ways a throwback and. professor jay rosen at n.y.u.

has as basically said that this was not a a new news company it was a media company that has a news division that essentially functions as a lobbyist as a lobbying arm or that media and surprise and i think murdoch wanted that political power and i suspect that anybody who takes over for murdoch and we don't know who that will be but i'm sure there will be somebody will see this this pursuit of political power just for the say oh political power to be antithetical to running a good business but what kind of a reversal sam because come on let's look at what already is in the united states in the mainstream media we saw one of the biggest stories this summer that has been poll last or all over the twenty four hour cable news network has been casey anthony which was a very tabloid case very casually coverage analyzing every in and out of one young girl's trial looking at it like a soap opera watching out like you know greek you know gladiator fights or

something because you just want to see this tragedy play out before you you have that you have but i'd like to have think and post which have had to bring in entertainment and order to get more traction you have t.v. journalist that's actually becoming celebrities i want to bring up i can't help but bring up the picture that anderson cooper tweeted can we bring out a play it's him at a you know topless covered and but he's tweeting i can't take that i celebrity web sites just showing kind of that t.v. journalists are a celebrity. or maybe feel like they need to fill themselves at celebrities and all seems to be moving in this direction even if you take fox news and new york post reporter out publications out of the picture well look i don't think that you're ever going to. gape that element of of serious interest and sensationalism i mean you can go back to the fatty arbuckle case you know one hundred years ago on the air and near now this is always been around it will always be around the really talks

a guy aspect of what was going on with news corp was that not only did they have the scruples of this sensationalist journalism but they had the political power outside of that that essentially kept that kept the politicians that bed that kept politicians in line and that's the part that i think we're going to see slowly melt away we're not going to get rid of celebrity journalism we're going to see more and more of it but what we won't see i believe in the in the near future is a is a melding of that type of sensationalism along with a. an inordinate amount of political power but how can you say that when were the last time it taken out the political power you're saying you don't think that these two are going to be melted or continue to be one of the last time you saw something like casey anthony which really was kind of tabloid and gossipy get so much play on c.n.n. a talent and that's n.b.c. and fox news and a.b.c. and n.b.c.

on the last time you saw something like that well i mean it was the last case of you know a girl going down a well it was gary condit it was o.j. simpson but oh then within a day maybe athlete i mean this was just a girl but i mean look we see these cases all the time and we're going to we're going to see more of jon benet ramsey i mean the list goes on this is what this is what made cable news. frankly was was these type of cases that really have no bearing on anyone's life i mean frankly o.j. simpson a famous reprised football player but it is his case has absolutely nothing to do with anyone's lives other than as a you know who shot jr on dallas did one last time you saw someone from the not a trusted name in news topless covered in mud being tweeting out picture of himself well maybe i'm not watching them enough. but you know we have this kind of thing i

mean you know fox news has has always had that type of you know celebrity girl or wolf blitzer made his name is sean penn but probably i've been wearing a tough guy you know that you know there's there's always been a lot of this yes i think there's more in t.v. news in cable news to make celebrities out of people but this isn't the most nefarious aspect of it that's more of a reflection sadly on what our star society m.p.'s and frankly what's cheaper and easier for the networks to do i mean rather than actually going out and doing real reporting and real journalism if you can dunk your host in a vat of mud and that that helps with the ratings it's easier to do it there you go got to go get myself and not to get more people to watch get out there and this is going and i will i will rethink that picture all right well that was an honor thank

you so much as i want to see what really happens with the future of news in this country that was i think majority report bank of england. now as people are questioning what will be the biggest fallout from news corps murder scandal my last guest thinks he's going down you we really don't know what's going to happen though but there are other questions of fallout that are going to have a much larger impact on people's lives on americans lives on afghans lives i'm talking of course about the drawdown of the afghan war now the question and answer to the question of what the largest fallout will be could arguably have a bigger impact on lives i said today the u.s. led nato coalition in afghanistan handed over control of the capital of helmand province to the afghan army now this is one of the first places in the country to go through the transition process to get out of the country by two thousand and fourteen as president obama has pledged but is a smooth and hunky dory as we're made to believe as u.s. left the afghan army prepared or does it leave behind forces that are too weak for

the job that they're being given there are concerns about this new guard that chase them out like he's an archie reporter he discovered the reality from a much better perspective than i can hear from within the ranks in kabul. there's confusion on the faces of the afghan army soldiers as a firefight unfolds on the other side of the wall looking for them this is the kabul military training center and the bullets being fired blanks i mean here halfway through a ten week program and the officers don't cut the many slack when it's over the be deployed eastern province one of afghanistan's most violent corners north but we must push them hard so they can perform under pressure day by day we're making progress the afghan national army has already come a long way its ranks of swollen to about one hundred seventy thousand troops thanks to fresh waves of recruits attracted by higher wages and extra perks the soldiers insist they are all united in their desire to beat back the taliban militants urgency of age or ethnicity when in the army we are all brothers and we are all

called by one name. by the call of duty is also struck a chord beyond able bodied males a first ever class of women soldiers has just graduated us. and there's even a mujahideen unit made up of more than veteran me and say some of you just hard this is all good news to u.s. military planners have set a two thousand and fourteen feeling to hand over security responsibilities to the afghans the afghan army enjoys a much better reputation in the police force and has even been featured in recent moves. but is the army takes greater responsibility for security around the country there are concerns that the quantity of troops may be coming at the expense of quality starters more than eighty percent of troops are literally a big problem with the ability to read maps and numbers can spell the difference between life and adding to the was a widespread drug use and desertion is today roughly one in four combat soldiers quit their post critics also point out that the military leadership is made up of many rival x. warlords who still command loyalties along regional economic lines and could drag

the country deeper into can flat as the u.s. begins to scale back its role as custodian this summer there are concerns that these divisions may flare up if i start neutral. if you could be given a name to use you would be fighting to ensure the security to the these. groups some of the groups who computed you yet another obstacle for a young army that still has much to move forward can students and jason whitlock you called for to think if you there are a lot of questions about what is the reality of this transition in afghanistan you have also both u.s. and afghan officials saying the u.s. military will be afghanistan for years into the future or think two thousand and fourteen is too soon for withdrawal so to help sort this out take joining me from tucson arizona to tell us what withdrawal really means he's a member of rethink afghanistan an artsy blogger cake thanks for being with us now

first i just want to talk about the back and forth a little bit if u.s. forces can't defeat the taliban what makes anyone think that the afghan army can. i think a couple things here to notice that the taliban has grown as a result of continued u.s. presence in the southern afghanistan so by the u.s. leaving you're going to see the taliban basically not want to fight as much because they're supposed to be fighting it's kind of conspiracy and afghan peace process take place because afghans generally speaking don't want to silly fight with each other they just simply want to live in coexist for the most part when i'm away but then how do you reconcile that a lot of the civilian casualties that have been reported over the last year a lot of the civilian casualties there are believed to be from taliban. well the taliban certainly is. to itself and certainly has killed a lot of afghans also done a lot of harm but remember the taliban is somewhere around fifteen to eighteen

thousand strong in southern and eastern afghanistan so not a major part of the population but it's more of the mindset of trying to control things so basically as the taliban comes into the peace process comes into the afghan government the taliban will begin to reconcile itself with the population and become more congenial simply because it has to if it wants to be taken seriously by the population we've seen this across the world it is a reign corporation study shows. violent groups are brought to peace significantly as they're brought into the peace process so it's not uncommon and it's confusing but it's it will happen ok well there are a lot of ifs and there are a lot of contingencies in the meantime you know we don't know exactly how it's going to play out and you have an afghan army that is less equipped than u.s. forces they have a fraction of the equipment they have

a fraction of the literacy and eighty percent are illiterate it's made up of former militia members which is a concern so how can they maintain security with those handicaps. well you know i think that's a that's probably the most important questions does the afghan people need the afghan army to maintain security and i think that that's really really the crucial question you brought that up a good point we don't know we don't know to the extent what the afghan army can do but i think that generally speaking that al cans are better off with governing themselves without the united states or the coalition forces providing security for them because as you seem we have unintentionally killed a lot of people so it afghans are killing afghans that's better off the united states or nato killing i have a really interesting point i want to ask i bring in another kind of very i mean is it because no one is really that there is them being ill equipped and not having

the same ability to to have security the way that the u.s. can is because no one's actually expecting them to have a role that excludes the u.s. in two thousand and fourteen i mean you have i can bury saying that he believes that the troops will be there for years in a future helping afghan forces you have afghan leaders saying two thousand and fourteen is too soon you have ten thousand troops likely to stay in iraq past the withdrawal date there so it's because no one really thinks that the u.s. is leaving afghanistan yeah i am and i think that we would be foolish to sit here and think that the u.s. is leaving we're not leaving there will be permanent u.s. involvement in beethoven volman for a long time a lot of people have conspiracy theories i actually think. i think the afghans but we've seen a lot of benefit from the afghans from civilian lad peaceful movements n.g.o.s micro finance different cultural projects the west has done

a lot of good for the afghans and so the afghans will certainly welcome it is long that's not necessarily a military and even and the pentagon is working on casting over leadership of the state department and the united nations to do basically. post-war reconstruction to stabilize gets in the future so there will be coolish and whatever it just may not be militarized once the afghan army takes over and that's that's a good thing for all parties involved ok and really quickly one analysis for general allen taking over for general petraeus is that his challenge is just to take over the legacy to a point where afghanistan can be handed over intact if not in peace is that really the endgame just like have it be intact enough so i think so i think the appropriate assessment to make sure that it's livable we don't have extreme shari'a law or extreme human rights abuses by the taliban or by the coalition or

anybody just afghanistan's and slowly make the steps forward to begin a peace process and become a. form of democracy and ok great well dave thanks for giving us your insight was to wait and see how this all does play out as her do start to withdraw and i was a deliberate a member everything afghanistan and an r.t.a. blogger now they are a small group but their charges are happy and we have been talking about them a little but now you are going to see them firsthand the protesters who staked out bohemian grove the secret meeting in northern california of some of the country's most powerful well are to christine preval with there and she found out if those protesters called were heard. smart meters cell phone towers any kind of radiation the tot's occasion of everybody and everything weather modification around the bend here to protest for human growth. those who stood guard at the gates of bohemian grove had high hopes that those attending the omens retreat would

pay attention to their concerns i'm here at bohemian grove and to protest against militarism and against imperialism what's happening right behind me at this place and others like it decisions are being made that affect all of us yet the people in their answers and none of us certainly they came to the right place as far as trying to reach the rich and powerful and more than one hundred year old annual conference has been attended by everyone from dick cheney newt gingrich henry kissinger and thomas kean the man who two years after this photo was taken would head up the nine eleven commission bohemian grove is located on the outskirts of this tiny california town of nahariya and for more than thirty years protesters have also been coming through here to have their message just heard outside the gate their messages that have over the last few years changed immensely the all a dark evil arche as i call it are trying to bring about

a new world order. that means the abolition of all society as we now know what the plan is to reduce the population of the planet population reduction just one of many claims and concerns by those who attended this weekend's protests blaming those inside in the past heads of major electric companies like pacific gas and electric attended bohemian grove a popular issue this year smart meters a new technology used by some electric companies that records and communicates electricity consumption were referring to them as smart murder meters now because people are getting very very sick ernie's heisler says radiation from smart meters has poisoned her daughter she's been having severe pain burning in her head above the ears like fires she's had palpitations of the heart those years say the disease is called morgellons it's a new. disease that is characterized and brought down from the skies on all of

us and what you do is you hold it to your skin and you'll see these opalescent luminous strands and and everybody has got this some say the men attending bohemian grove should be charged with murder though there is no evidence of it they say rituals that take place during the cremation of care ceremony involved symbolically sacrificing children the killing of children whether ceremonial or an actuality is a crime some believe it actually happened so there was an event and that was there and that's where the truly the life of this child was for the purpose of break even more power over this country by the catholic church i mean. you know the child is gone there's a lot of children missing in your parents when it all on the road as you can see the tensions here are high arguments breaking out between protesters are going to become child sacrifice and satan worship really ilija. claims you know really these

are the fireworks you probably creation care down the road a bit activist mary moore says she no longer attends the protests even though she organized them for thirty one years and has an office filled with information collected from bohemian grove she says the new generation of protesters have made the real issue of what goes on disappear there is no conspiracy happening up there it's just rich and powerful men talking to each other exchanging information that you and i are privy to. perhaps this is one point everyone agrees on the only car percent of us are going scrutinized by different ways while they were up there laughing their butts off with what happens inside bohemian grove affects a large portion of the population and most have no idea the secret retreat even exists a month a real california christine for south r.t. and that is an idea for now.